tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post6303136230145124457..comments2024-01-03T11:02:45.549+05:30Comments on Buddy2Blogger : TV Review: Elementary Episode # 2 - "While You Were Sleeping"Arunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-28910006107866687902012-10-15T22:01:26.433+05:302012-10-15T22:01:26.433+05:30Thanks Moonlitivy for stopping by.Thanks Moonlitivy for stopping by.Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-20107557375870718292012-10-15T18:36:37.282+05:302012-10-15T18:36:37.282+05:30It's pretty clear that the Sherlock in the BBC...It's pretty clear that the Sherlock in the BBC version isn't actually a sociopath. It's a self-diagnosis, and one that's mistaken. He isn't a psychiatrist. But he does want to be unemotional - he sees feelings as a distraction. It's a viewpoint that's often referenced by a young Holmes in the canon, although the term itself isn't used to my knowledge. I don't think you can really diagnose someone like Sherlock Holmes. Get him in a psychiatrist's office and he'd run rings around them; if he wanted to be seen as having any type of ASPD, then he's a good enough actor to pull it off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-31313086780734143982012-10-11T04:55:23.802+05:302012-10-11T04:55:23.802+05:30Cumberbatch's Holmes calling himself "a h...Cumberbatch's Holmes calling himself "a high-functioning sociopath" is a textbook example of what is wrong with the BBC Sherlock series. In order to appeal to the young and the impressionable, Moffat and his team have made some sweeping changes to all the main characters, namely Sherlock, Mycroft, Mrs Hudson, Irene Adler and Moriarty. I have explained this in good detail in my post <b> <a href="http://buddy2blogger.blogspot.com/2012/05/review-scandal-in-belgravia-sherlock.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> </b>.<br /><br />I felt that 'A Scandal in Belgravia' and 'The Reichenbach Fall' were highly melodramatic and emotionally overwrought. They were more of emotional drama rather than a Sherlock Holmes mystery. Granted that these 2 original stories themselves were not that big mysteries to start with...<br /><br />I did like 'A Study in Pink' and 'The Hounds of Baskerville'. These 2 episodes were more in Doylean mold.<br /><br />I respect the fact that you have such a high regard and love for BBC Sherlock, that you are putting up a strong defense. Moffat and his crew would be extremely happy :)<br /><br />I read the article by Maria Konnikova and agree with all of her points. The Canonical Holmes was a bit eccentric but <i>never</i> a sociopath or a psychopath. That is what I have always believed ever since I read the Canon.<br /><br />Cheers!Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-67297068672535038212012-10-10T22:56:03.646+05:302012-10-10T22:56:03.646+05:30nope, they didn't _make_ him a sociopath. they...nope, they didn't _make_ him a sociopath. they mistakenly had him call himself one. that's clearly a mistake, as all the internet buzz objecting to it [including here: http://io9.com/5933869/stop-calling-sherlock-a-sociopath-thanks-a-psychologist ] is at pains to point out.<br /><br />just sayin'... ;)Divers and Sundryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759655568104782267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-9601940237900797072012-10-10T22:45:12.894+05:302012-10-10T22:45:12.894+05:30Of course, the Canonical version of Holmes is alwa...Of course, the Canonical version of Holmes is always # 1, as far as I am concerned.<br /><br />Between CBS Elementary and BBC Sherlock - CBS Elementary made Holmes a nutcase. BBC Sherlock made him a <i>sociopath</i>.<br /><br />Any day, I would prefer the nutcase over the sociopath!<br />Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-48077416406779939102012-10-10T22:38:19.251+05:302012-10-10T22:38:19.251+05:30"insanely daft yet compulsive" - Love th..."insanely daft yet compulsive" - Love that description, GK :)<br /><br />I have seen "Young Sherlock Holmes". It is a Steven Spielberg movie made in 1985 and has a strong influence of Indiana Jones to it.<br /><br />I have not seen Tom Baker as Dr Who. In fact, I have not seen any episode of Dr Who. My knowledge of that universe is limited to these facts:<br />1. Dr Who is a time traveller of some sort<br />2. Many eminent British actors (including the late great Peter Cushing) have played Dr Who.<br />3. Dr Who has strongly influenced BBC Sherlock!<br /><br />I have seen Tom Baker as Sherlock Holmes in the 1982 adaptation of 'The Hound of the Baskervilles'. He was good but not extraordinary in that role, in my humble opinion.<br /><br />Who is your favorite actor to play Dr Who. And how good was Peter Cushing in that role.<br /><br />Cheers!<br /><br />Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-30899940667451552052012-10-10T21:15:55.537+05:302012-10-10T21:15:55.537+05:30I'll give you credit for being patient with th...I'll give you credit for being patient with the show. I was willing to say that a female Watson may work if done well. <br />After about ten minutes , I watched no more.<br />It made the point that Sherlock Holmes is a nutcase not that he is a genius and a nutcase in the opening.<br />He says Watson "was a doctor," but somehow this doesn't seem all that brilliant. Cumberbatch or the early Sherlock Holmes would have had a computer brain and picked up a lot of clues <br /><br />Maybe I wasn't in the mood to watch or something, but it didn't hold my interest long.Shermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02062586117718431164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-61368823604569835172012-10-10T20:56:57.198+05:302012-10-10T20:56:57.198+05:30B2B - got a bit stuck with House of Silk but will ...B2B - got a bit stuck with House of Silk but will get back to it (as soon as i finish the insanely daft yet compulsive Jack Reacher thriller I'm reading!!)<br /><br />I picked up Young Sherlock Holmes from a second hand store the other day - haven't seen it since the original release! A young Holmes would go down well in this post Potter world, wouldn't it?<br /><br />As far as characters like Holmes, what about Tom Baker's Dr Who? He was very Holmesian.Child of the 70shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15045667514712502457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-10337817605674978622012-10-10T00:14:25.775+05:302012-10-10T00:14:25.775+05:30Thanks John for your compliment about the canonica...Thanks John for your compliment about the canonical references.<br /><br />I am glad that we share the same thoughts about the show :)<br /><br />Cheers!Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-65781095122331783412012-10-09T20:22:18.606+05:302012-10-09T20:22:18.606+05:30I didn't read your comments till I had watched...I didn't read your comments till I had watched the show (twice) and written my own comments.<br />And I agree with most of yours, but I think I ended up liking the show a little more than you.<br />I liked your reviews of the stories 'covered' in the show and although I found the same ones, you were able to put story names to them which I could not on all of them.<br />Thanks for the review.JohnFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13294886206454693626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-59893334830226391432012-10-09T05:24:28.088+05:302012-10-09T05:24:28.088+05:30I respect your thoughts, Divers and Sundry. I gues...I respect your thoughts, Divers and Sundry. I guess each one of us has his/her own criteria :)<br /><br />I do agree with you about Disney movies. Disney studio executives are experts at minting money by playing to as wide a audience as possible. Two specific examples would be The Lion King and the recent movie, The Avengers.<br /><br />Cheers!Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-64483540795370491782012-10-09T04:32:07.354+05:302012-10-09T04:32:07.354+05:30"I do not mind ... if Watson is male or femal..."I do not mind ... if Watson is male or female."<br /><br />to me, the relationship between holmes and watson is key, and changing the sex of one of them and removing watson's military background are changes that dramatically alter the character and that relationship. i'd rather see a new detective entirely than see one that differs so greatly from its source material.<br /><br />it's for this that i despise efforts like the disney little mermaid and beauty and the beast. it gets to where all you have in common with the origin story is a couple of character names and isolated plot elements. Divers and Sundryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759655568104782267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-66177436780525679132012-10-09T02:38:00.022+05:302012-10-09T02:38:00.022+05:30LOL :)
To me, the characterization of Sherlock Ho...LOL :)<br /><br />To me, the characterization of Sherlock Holmes is the # 1 thing I look for in any adaptation. I do not mind whether the adaptation is set in Victorian times/contemporary world or if Watson is male or female.<br /><br />I am mainly concerned as to how closely the version of Sherlock Holmes in the adaptation follows the Canonical Version. As long as the adaptation portrays Holmes as a Bohemian Gentleman with remarkable powers of observation and deduction, I am fine.<br /><br />I have a question for you, GK: You mentioned earlier that you were reading the Sherlock Holmes pastiche - 'The House of Silk' by Anthony Horowitz. Did you like it?<br /><br />Regards,<br />B2B.Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-20381934902458159862012-10-09T00:51:44.572+05:302012-10-09T00:51:44.572+05:30You're not selling this show to me B2B!
Just ...You're not selling this show to me B2B!<br /><br />Just out of curiosity - how far would the format have to stretch before you considered it not Holmes? You can take a female Watson, for example. What is beyond the pale?Child of the 70shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15045667514712502457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-36819690168351093472012-10-08T22:38:50.541+05:302012-10-08T22:38:50.541+05:30Welcome James.Welcome James.Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-75948183441587113342012-10-08T16:26:48.024+05:302012-10-08T16:26:48.024+05:30Excellent review, I hope the series actually tries...Excellent review, I hope the series actually tries something original and not rip-off what has come before. I will still continue to watch the series since I am a fan but it really needs a mystery other than homicide. Although I enjoyed Millar's performance in the pilot episode, I agree that he was far too similar to Downy and Cumberbatch. Thank you for the comment on my blog.<br /><br />-James<br /><br />James the Reviewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00165238905288033483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-88548414391424966842012-10-06T04:10:01.174+05:302012-10-06T04:10:01.174+05:30Thanks Denise.
Do you know any Sherlock Holmes pa...Thanks Denise.<br /><br />Do you know any Sherlock Holmes pastiche that you would recommend to read. I like 'The House of Silk'.<br /><br />Cheers!Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-44211791864597318262012-10-06T02:55:41.437+05:302012-10-06T02:55:41.437+05:30The premise is still a good one and I am hopeful t...The premise is still a good one and I am hopeful that they will get better. Agree with everything you said.DeniseinVAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494518513936310345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-28761995465434174432012-10-05T22:39:12.271+05:302012-10-05T22:39:12.271+05:30Agree with you Loveable Freak.
I am not sure if t...Agree with you Loveable Freak.<br /><br />I am not sure if the show will improve in the future. Anyway, we can only hope for the best....Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-34107742828237614272012-10-05T22:36:58.594+05:302012-10-05T22:36:58.594+05:30Thanks Divers for stopping by.
I always love Cano...Thanks Divers for stopping by.<br /><br />I always love Canonical references in any non-canonical adaptations. The NY setting and Watson's sex change did not bother me that much as well. The only thing that needs immediate improvement, in my humble opinion, is Miller's performance. He needs to bring something original to the role.Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498276962097853996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-19993018752574547582012-10-05T21:44:56.694+05:302012-10-05T21:44:56.694+05:30Yeah, Miller still needs improvement. I'm opti...Yeah, Miller still needs improvement. I'm optimistically hoping he improves as he goes, and sort of settles into the role as time goes on...Loveable Freakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06264218184227889259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179127695106064318.post-40862095440898107882012-10-05T19:44:39.183+05:302012-10-05T19:44:39.183+05:30"After watching this episode, it is really ha..."After watching this episode, it is really hard not to think of this show as a blatant attempt to cash in on the current hot streak Sherlock Holmes is enjoying in popular culture."<br /><br />i had assumed this from the get-go and am not bothered by it. what bothers me is the ho-hum laziness of taking somebody else's name, and then changing just about everything else. occasional references to elements found in the stories aren't enough for me. this -especially the new york setting and sex change of watson- bothers me a lot. i'd rather they just come up with a new detective rather than hijack holmes/watson. <br /><br />this series jumps the shark for me. Divers and Sundryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759655568104782267noreply@blogger.com